In my conversation with Nina Teicholz, a leading science journalist, we explore saturated fats, modern nutrition policy, and flawed research on our way to some startling conclusions. Her bestselling book, The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat, and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet, actually inspired me to write my own book. It was a tremendous honor to have her on the show. Join us for an hour long conversation about things that matter. 

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