No, I think you were going back into it but just to bring back up the question about what are some of the differences in the brains of these long term meditators that you've noticed. Well, you

probably come across the default mode network. Many neuroscientists in this field have spoken about it. It seems to be a pretty well replicated finding that people are able to rest in mindful awareness, that default mode network which we know from a bulk of other research outside of the area of contemplative neuroscience is related to what I really call self referential processes. How I see myself as a psychological self, how I think others perceive me. This network in the brain is also engaged when we evoke autobiographical memories, we think about the past or projects into the future or project into other people's minds, what they might believe think so-called theory of mind. That network seems to be related to all of these processes and if we are resting in an experiential present without self-referencing, then the activity of this network deactivates. So we can say that this network seem to be related to this loosening of identification of experiential subjects, that's the age two that we talked about earlier. And interestingly, if we talk about this sort of fixation on the object of the experience, there are quite a lot of studies from different labs studying different approaches to practice or meditators from different traditions, but they all show the same effect, whether it's language processing or let's say pain processing or someone, the visual object processing networks that normally would be associated with what we call sort of attention to the objects, sustained attention. They do get engaged in a very transitory fashion. So they kind of quickly come online and then the activity dissipates very quickly. So for me, that would be a signature of that, you know, you're aware of the objects of experience, but then there's no fixation. So very quickly, that object is in and out. So if I use the analogy of writing in the water, so as a cognizance of what is presented to your awareness, but without any fixation, it's quickly in and out. And overall, that reflects in the much greater fluidity of neural dynamics in the brains of experienced meditators. And then networks rather than being driven by some habitual patterns of activations, they activate in a context dependent manner, depending on what I need right now. So my default one network might activate if I need access to an automobile graphical memories, you know, when you ask me how I became interested in meditation, but as soon as that needs falls away, that network doesn't retain its activity in this sort of dictatorial dynamic, which often happens in states such as ruminative depression, for example, it's an experience we can all relate to. So it's a good one as an example of when the default network might be, you know, overactive and overdominant in

this sort of orchestra of the brain.