I'm cautious now about the utility of these kind of conversations that we're talking about. The problem is if you have someone who's, no matter what is said, is going to be unwilling to change their position. And I think rather we're probably better all focusing on amplifying the voices in the evidence base side and amplifying the science of this as much as possible ourselves.

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