The idea of reconquering all of the territory and including Crimea is not likely to happen. And then, secondarily, even if it could happen, it wouldn't necessarily be desirable. The same things that worked for the Ukrainians when the Russians were on the offensive will now work for the Russians when they're on the defensive. I mean, look at how the Russians have been held up in Bákmut for five months now. So, it doesn't look terribly likely.
What the governments and media are saying in public is quite different to what they may be saying in private. Anatol Lieven, former war correspondent joins us to discuss the question of Crimea and how different the discussions in private are compared to what we hear in the public eye.
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