In a successful program, does that always mean that experimentation is democratized? That it kind of lives everywhere that everyone is empowered? I'm wondering how closely tied those two things are for you. Even if they're very good at testing things, there's going to be a large share of the company that's still making decisions sort of like Kipo-based. And then I wouldn't call that like a successful quote-unquote culture of experimentation because part of it is that it has to be permeating all decisions.

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