Night Waves is the name of the radio show and it's on mixed clouds. There are 20 shows there that I just think are so special. So if anybody listening wants to delve into what that feeling of solitude and grief was like, then you can actually, there was a documentation of it. It's just lovely. And that's how this podcast started as well. Like, you know, similar instinct. "I wanted to make contact with other writers and talk about this moment"

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