Spencer,

i i do think what we're seeing is a gap, not only in expertise understanding, but also then inexperience. I think it's hilarious to me. Wher, we're basely talking within a group of individuals, soleci the fitness industry, that are passionate about these things that to other people might come very difficult. It might be very difficult for them. Ah, two things i want to say. It does remind me a eric said, the video game analogy. Or even at lets say music, if musicians talk amongst themselves, so let's say, like fitness enthusiasts, nd yu'r tako like, that's g 13. Orikelike, this is te chord progression, it all makes sense to them. But then if you're trying to talk to the average persons just getting started, s oh, like, you don't know what that is. You don't know that progressioniske they don't even know what the notes sound like. Ther or forty five steps. There's once years a train that led to this, either self efficacy or ability. Eric, like we spoke two years ago where i did that aweigt lawson is the most seamless one that i did. It took me a decade. And i'm about this life, and i'm passionate about it where i can incorporate it. What makes you think that someone has those skill sets to start out? Like what you have what youre actually passion about, what you enjoy doing. But something i wante to say very quickly, something i haven't admitted on or culture, but an instance where where you said, both spencer and eric, a changing overtime, that this experiental gap is important. I remember when i started out as a trainer, i wanted to quantify everything, right? Like, it's ok, so these are the weights that you're lifting week to week. We know progressions are important, liklike any good trali, i got my pen, i got my noe pad, i got these thing, like theres the rate of change. And i remember one time, as spencer said, i think this is a notable example of this anecdote, that person that was training, she was very successful in her career, very, as you said, discipline a spencers, because people like to paint all these, like oaths, like someone made a post about, you know, income, like, so their e economic status, and then them being inherently lazy, and like all these facts, like base they're misattributing all these things. Cetecran, this perfect mis characterization. This person was very successful. Ah, and on the surface it would appeare verying shape, like by my evaluation, or by bn. I any objective metric in shape. We were training, we do the same thing all clients, to get that g your gols waiy lost, they want to lose what spencer there a ten pounds. A ten pounds in their own perception of themselves. And one time she stepped on the scale, and she actually had an emotional breakdown when she stepped on the scale. And that's immediatelyiit wasn't cause it never entered my own understanding up until that point in time, right? Id ihad. No idea. Thes agoale weree wayli why. It's an objective measure. 's just a number, right, in my own personal perception. And this is someone that it meant so much that particular number, that it caused severe emotional turmoil. And this is in a weak person. This isn't a person who's lazy. This isn't a person that all all these things that we want to mis attribute to this person make ourselves feel better, that rather than admit the reality that there is a problem here. And that's like step one. That's what eric in my first 18 months being ke a year, like a year. Maybe it's like, if you've been a trainer for a decade or two decades, and you're not gradually on this process of trying to understand your clients better, you're doing them a diservice. And if you're talking, i think, in the fitness base, and you've never actually had to sit down with someone like spencer, like, not even hundreds of clients such as yourself, or hundreds of pairor thousands of patients over your crib, i'm talking just a small amount, and you'd immediately see how wrong you are. I'm not saying that you should be silenced or anything when you try and contribute a conversation, but you essentially amount to noise rather than someone that's seeking to educate people. And i think you see probby spencer, that a a chasm between you trying to communicate and sad lik you create a meam and thislike, like this warrior that comes out of nowhere to completely misinterpret it and like to share their own view that's unsubstantiated.

Exactly. Nowe hit it on the had right there,

spencer.