Wen: The story about the war, that reduces the war to the interstate conflict, just simply starts too late. It started on the streets of kiv and also in western ukraine in the last days of euromedan revolution before putin sent ano of his e green man to crimea fore he sent or supported the prussian ireted irdentist aprisin in donbas. And this all was actually perceived by both parts of the conflict, but the government and theposit a civil war. We hare just forgetten about this. This. The civil war is starting in ucrane. Wen: How should we understand russia's role?

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