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In conversation with David Cayley on Ivan Illich and the pandemic response
Radically Human
Ivan Illich's Unique Personality and Journey
Exploring Ivan Illich's enthusiastic and hopeful character, the chapter recounts his interactions and dance-like obedience, while also discussing his shift away from traditional church structures to create a new community model despite facing an Inquisition and Vatican ban.
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