n this episode, Richard interviews Patricia Kong. Patricia leads Enterprise and Leadership Solutions at scrum.org. She is a public speaker, coach, a co-author of The Nexus Framework for Scaling Scrum, and a co-developer of the Evidence-Based Management Framework. Patricia reminds us that measuring your team's success is not just a number on the scale. You must be intentional about your team's goals if you want to grasp the level of its improvement. When you finish listening to the episode, connect with Patricia on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricia-kong-2238232/ and read her book The Nexus Framework for Scaling Scrum. Go to https://kasperowski.com/podcast-60-patricia-kong/ to listen to the episode and read the transcript.