How to Make a Leader Out of the Tough Times

I think the hard part about that is like giving someone perspective is just very very difficult right you just sound like an old man. It doesn't it doesn't work so anybody has a good way to do that? Back in 2008 echo sign it was harder sledding than 2021 anywhere I'm sure echo sign included 10 x 10 x everywhere. Jameson really really helpful and insightful answer just sort of like repeating what I heard to take away because again this is like a daily occurrence whether he's talking to a VP of sales a founder describing this environment.