When we're totally missing the data of like having ever been in a room together or knowing anything about each other's perspectives, real high likelihood of totally different assumptions coming out of the murkiness. And for folks that don't do, I mean, at the ready and at murmur, we do a very expensive gatherings to try to get at that. But if your company doesn't or can't do that, I feel for you. Like that is an uphill battle to be sure. It feels like so much less fun to get clear on something than to just get drinks.

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