I asked normally at the end of these conversations about career and life advice. And a few recent guests have said to somebody earlier in their career, I would move to a big city. Do you think that's still necessary given how more remote the world has become? Or would you say, get to New York, get to San Fran, get to wherever? It's not as necessary, because media, especially like podcasters, have been able to leverage the medium to build the same level of relationships you would otherwise. But I do think it's important. You know, when my kids are old enough, I'm going to get them on a plane and they're not going to university right

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