When he was younger, especially it's been probably two, if not three decades since, really I've used psychedelics. Once that alcohol or marijuana or et cetera molecule, interestingly, most people do not become addictive about psychedelics. But the truth is that particularly if you're doing like a fairly large dose of something of a classical psychedelic, like LSD or psilocybin, most people don't come out of that experience and are like, yeah, I want to do it again tomorrow. That's just not the real part.

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