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I Don't Have Top Secret State Security Secrets, Right?
Jack Schafer: How many of us go out into the public and have predetermined what we're going to release in a public store? Nobody does that. I do it all the time, absolutely. He says he's trained as an intelligence officer, counterintelligence officer. "If somebody asked me something outside the box, like you said, that I'm going to release, red flag goes up"