We are far better than any other species at exploiting our habitats. We do that because we've had the one-off abundance of fossil fuel to enable us to do it. So just like every other species in a plague phase of its growth, as I say, it's a one-off population boom-bus cycle; we will contract. How do you get this incredibly diverse human global culture who can't even agree about whether climate change is real to respond to this grotesquely more complex systemic problem called human overshoot? I don't know howDo we do that. Everybody knows what we should do. We can own that as Nora and Rex have emphasized for 50 or 70 years. But

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