Why Do You Think This Divide Was So Strong?

John DuCane: I get more flak from one side of the aisle when you present a technique, for example, a rack position where you have to elbow close to your body. The way we do our especially level one certification is a transformative event for people. We have standards. We have expectations. There are requirements. It is a right of passage. And so instead of saying, this is what I'm doing, and I think it's great that everybody else is doingwhat they're doing, you get aggressive because now you want to put on something different.

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