Sally Kohn: I think you have probably the most contrarian view I've ever heard. You said whether or not we use the word goals, we're forever making plans upon desired outcomes and goal free living simply makes for happier humans. That flies in the face of probably everything that everybody who's listening to this has ever heard. So expand on that for me. She says there's a kind of attachment to goals which which automatically places fulfillment of them in the future if they are set too far into the future. But she also thinks it can be used as navigational tools for bringing into being the best stuff from your life today.