When I was a young guy, I got into reading philosophy and really started off reading books about religion first. And it kind of stuck with me and I decided I was going to go to university and study philosophy at Aberdeen and Scotland. Then after I did my philosophy degree, I thought like, you know, it was a bit of a joke really that what job do you get when you graduate from a philosophy degree. So I began training and counseling and psych therapy. That was about 25 years ago and I went to my master's degree at Sheffield University in the Centre for Centre for Psych Therapeutic Studies. We studied philosophy, psych therapy, sociology, all kind of mashed together. By