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The High Five Habit
Gloria Borger: Perfectionism is just a defense mechanism. You just convince yourself that if I could get it right, then nobody's going to criticize me. It plagues women way more than men. She says people who don't have the high five habit are unwilling to make something messy. "Everything that's ever been created has a process," she said.
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