Intro

If Donald J. Trump wins next week’s election, it will be in large part because voters embraced his message that the U.S. immigration system is broken.

David Leonhardt, a senior writer at The New York Times, tells the surprising story of how that system came to be.

Guest: David Leonhardt, a senior writer at The New York Times who runs The Morning.

Background reading: 

• Whoever wins the election, seeking asylum in the United States may never be the same.
• For people fleeing war, the U.S. immigration fight has real-life consequences.

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