I'm just constantly trying to communicate. We are all trying to be decent communicators in order to get people's interest sparked. And if they're creative, that leads to other avenues where they start building on that knowledge base and it becomes a part of their world. You can't easily break down some of these prejudices of er bioces or a, or a narrow mindedness with regard to intellectual endeavors unless you sparks of interest on the other side. I think another one simply is co operative endeavor of all different kinds. It may involve listening more than talking.

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