Navigating Dark Retreats: Risks and Insights

In this episode I host a dialogue between Dr Caroline van Damme and Lama Justin von Bujdoss. Dr Caroline Van Damme is an adult psychiatrist and family and systemic psychotherapist specialising in chronic psychotic disorders, and co-teacher of Buddhist guru and Sowa Rigpa doctor Nida Chenagtsang.  Lama Justin von Bujdoss is an American Buddhist teacher, dark retreat yogi, founder and spiritual director of Yangti Yoga Retreat Center in Buckland Massachusetts, and author of ‘Modern Tantric Buddhism’. Caroline and Justin discuss the risk of psychosis during extreme religious practices, consider the rewards and dangers of dark retreat, and describe the different forms of hallucination. Caroline and Justin warn about engaging in advanced practices too soon, consider the pros and cons of spiritual ambition, and offer a mental health checklist for those considering intensive practice. Caroline and Justin also reflect on their own biographies, share challenges they have faced, and recount anecdotes of religious psychosis. … Video version: www.guruviking.com Also available on Youtube, iTunes, & Spotify – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’. … Topics include: 00:00 - Intro 01:08 - Justin explains the practice of dark retreat 5:55 - What is the purpose of dark retreat? 06:50 - Obstacles during dark retreat 09:39 - Distracted and disturbed by experience 11:08 - Sensory deprivation induces psychosis and delusional ideation 12:41 - Auditory or visual? 13:16 - Hallucinations in dark retreat vs in schizophrenia 18:51 - Practice prerequisites to dark retreat 21:10 - The purpose of intensive practice contexts 22:42 - Trekchod is the best antidote 23:38 - Justin laments the rush to do advanced retreats and practices 24:35 - Lack of mental health crisis intervention skills in Buddhist sanghas 25:38 - The devastating consequences of psychosis 27:09 - Sensory deprivation as torture and the “White Room” 29:01 - Tantric context of dark retreat and other challenging experiences 31:34 - Gek sel literature and “set and setting” 34:24 - Disastrous outcomes of Vipassana and other group retreats 38:19 - Mystical delusions and the manic state 41:59 - Consent, context, and the need for a guide 46:17 - Practice slowly, arrive quickly 46:51 - Extreme sports practitioners and disregard for tradition 50:24 - - Social pressure to avoid boredom 54:48 - A menu of spiritual materialism 57:10 - Outer, inner, and secret yidam practice 59:50 - Tilopa’s Six Nails 01:00:47 - Śamatha and raw-dogging 01:02:33 - Lojong 01:03:21 - Dream yoga and illusory body practice 01:05:14 - Walking meditation 01:05:28 - Frequency, duration, and intensity 01:08:21 - Spiritual ambition and Justin’s own training 01:13:10 - Ngondro and building a good foundation 01:14:12 - Bodhicitta as context 01:15:44 - A story of temporary insanity 01:17:29 - Health checklist for extreme spiritual adventures 01:20:17 - Dr Caroline’s difficult intake experience 01:22:02 - Spiritual bypass and the role of the teacher 01:24:13 - Long term relationships with patients and students 01:25:40 - John Welwood’s advocacy for psychotherapy 01:29:40 - Today’s lack of a long term relationship with the guru 01:35:22 - The power of relationship 01:40:00 - Justin’s concluding remarks 01:41:56 - Dr Caroline’s concluding remarks … Previous episodes with Lama Justin von Bujdoss: - https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=bujdoss 
 Previous episodes with Dr Caroline van Damme: - https://www.guruviking.com/search?q=caroline … Find out more about Lama Justin von Bujdoss: - https://justinvonbujdoss.com/ - https://www.yangtiyoga.com/ Find out more about Dr Caroline van Damme: - https://www.sowarigpainstitute.org/dr-caroline-van-damme … For more interviews, videos, and more visit: - https://www.guruviking.com Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James