Active listening and the 80/20 rule

Michael emphasizes active listening, asking questions, and letting others speak to build rapport and influence.

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In this episode, Tony sits down with Michael Smoak (better known online as HigherUpWellness) to unpack what it really means to communicate better.

They talk about why most people struggle to express themselves clearly, how to get your point across without over-explaining, and what makes people actually listen. Michael shares the story behind his viral “HigherUp Speaking Challenge” and how it’s helped thousands overcome the fear of speaking up, in front of a crowd, or even just in conversation.

From fitness to communication, this episode breaks down the simple skills that change how you connect with people, at work, in relationships, and online.

If you’ve ever felt misunderstood, overlooked, or unsure how to get your message across, this one’s for you.

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