Most of what we do is under MSA's because they're fantastical brands. In my own company, before I do a presentation that's going to require goals or an annual vision talk, we do a listening tour first. We don't spend time on the slides. This is about the message and maybe a model or two or three that we're going to feel like it may amplify or make the message more concrete. They come in more skeptical and we definitely have nailed the annual kickoff meeting.

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