What Did Veri of Chaves Feel Like in Venezuela in the Nineties?

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There was antipolitica behind all this is the feeling for antipolitics. We are willing to bet our democracy or system of life on a new gay or a new person first. Any one that had anything to do with power was a not credible, corrupter and an enemy. The cubans were invited almost to occupy the country. They could do whatever they wanted. And so one important reason why people were not more alarmed and did not do more to stop essentially became the lows of democracy - how stealthy some of these decisions were.

Moisés Naím is a Distinguished Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a member of the Persuasion board of advisors. He has served as Minister of Trade and Industry for Venezuela, Executive Director of the World Bank, and editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy magazine. His latest book is The Revenge of Power.

In this week’s conversation, Moisés Naím and Yascha Mounk discuss how authoritarian powers have banded together to respond to the challenges of technology and decentralization, the proliferation of the “Three P’s” (polarization, populism, and post-truth), and the challenges facing democracies in the 21st century.

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