Start Designing a Life That Matters | Bill Burnett and Dave Evans
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Resilience by Celebrating Particular Moments
Bill and Dave recommend small moments of wonder as the basis for resilience and recovery.
AJ and Johnny sit down with Bill Burnett and Dave Evans, Stanford professors and authors of Designing Your Life, to explore how to build a more meaningful, fully alive existence. They share why âfollow your passionâ is bad advice, how design thinking can help you reframe your sense of purpose, and what it really takes to live with coherence and wonder.
Bill and Dave unpack the myths around self-actualization, the power of community in shaping growth, and how curiosity plus mystery creates everyday wonder. From shifting your mindset from âgot toâ to âget to,â to discovering your âfocus question,â this conversation reveals how to design a life thatâs creative, connected, and consciously alive.
Chapters:
00:00 â How lunch at Stanford started a global movement
05:00 â From âfollow your passionâ to âdesign your lifeâ
10:00 â Why chasing impact isnât enough for meaning
15:00 â Rethinking self-actualization and transcendence
20:00 â The four keys to a meaningful life: wonder, coherence, flow, and community
25:00 â How to find your focus question and design your compass
30:00 â The power of formative communities and shared stories
35:00 â Building resilience through small moments of wonder
40:00 â Awakening the âflow worldâ and shifting from got to â get to
45:00 â The mindsets for living fully alive
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Episode resources:
How to Live a Meaningful Life: Using Design Thinking to Unlock Purpose, Joy, and Flow Every Day
Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life
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