Introduction

This episode was recorded alive during g d c 20 21 earlier this year, and is brought to you by x ola back in a sack. We have brian collinsworth, game designer at naughty dog, where he worked on the last of us part two. He joins me cris graft, publisher at game developer dot com, and editor in chief elissa macaloon, to talk about his work on making believable n pcs. And he'll be giving a talk to morrow on that with fellow naughty doggers,. not sure if that's the official term, a call bringing allies to light in the last of we part two.