In a heartfelt and personal conversation, Dave interviews acclaimed chef Jeremy Fox (0:50) about his new book, ‘On Meat,’ and his incredible, culinary-world-impacting restaurant Ubuntu, as well as the challenges of being in the restaurant world today. They discuss creativity (35:02), the evolution of the chef industry, and what they have learned over their long careers. To close the podcast, Dave makes two easy home versions of pan pizza (52:53).