In this inaugural episode of the Magamama podcast, Kimberly Ann Johnson is joined by Christiane Pelmas who shares her wisdom as a psychotherapist, Sexological Bodyworker, wise woman, author and mother. She tells me just before the episode that she is not interested in being interviewed. She's interested in co-created conversation. Nevertheless, she is a truth teller and culture maker.

She elucidates the difference between codependence and interdependence, and how care-taking can be a form of violence. She describes herself as an "essentialist" and how she sees gendering as a coexisting part of that. She talks about the forgotten role of mother as a soul guide.

What you’ll hear:

The difference of co dependence and interdependence (1:30)
How do you feel that difference between codependence or interdependence (6:30)
Compulsory discomfort! (12:00)
Culture and codependence (15:00)
Masculine vs. feminine, modern culture and essentials (26:30)
Thoughts and personal vision on modern culture and the impact on mothering (41:00)
Worrying about children and emotional intelligence (45:00)
A different role for mothers which is not taught in this culture – Soul Guide (50:00)

Her website is www.TheReWilding.com

You can find her books here:

Women’s Wisdom Guidebook & Card Deck

Trauma, A Practical Guide to Working with Body and Soul

Somatic Sexwork Anthology

Trauma, A Practical Guide to Working with Body and Soul

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