In this episode of Workplace Stories, we sit down with Heather Bussing, a California employment lawyer, to break down the recent executive orders on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DE&I).

Heather brings her sharp legal perspective, offering clarity on what these orders actually mean for businesses—especially those in the private sector—and how employers can navigate this complex landscape without overreacting.

Heather is direct, no-nonsense, and refreshingly calm in the face of the confusion swirling around DE&I today. We dive into the details of the executive orders, what they really say (and what they don’t), and what companies can do to stay on the right side of the law while building a more inclusive workplace.

One of the biggest takeaways from this conversation is the importance of staying focused on fairness and merit. Heather stresses that while the executive orders might stir up public debates, the real work for companies is about being transparent and fair in their practices, especially around hiring, promotions, and performance assessments.

She also talks about the growing need to rethink the way organizations measure success in their DE&I efforts, focusing on meaningful change rather than just checking boxes.

If you’re a leader or HR professional feeling the pressure to adjust your DE&I strategy, this episode is for you. Heather offers clear, actionable advice that will help you move forward with confidence.

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(0:00) Introduction to Heather Bussing (and Why You Should Listen to Her)
(6:24) What Is an Executive Order?
(8:51) The DE&I Executive Orders and Their Focus on Federal Contractors
(15:03) Legal Impact vs. Cultural Backlash on DE&I Programs
(22:29) Why Fairness Should Still Be the Focus of DE&I Efforts
(26:48) Lightening the Mood with the Lightning Round
(30:48) Why You Should Do What You’re Already Doing
(35:20) Moving Forward: Maintaining DE&I Programs Amidst Change

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