In the 1990s, Australia began in 1900. Not a lot of people left from that founding moment by 1994 if they were. They weren't very effective in government. So it was really a new generation creating a new fiscal contract with the population. Is there some sense in which pressure builds up and the government sort of accumulates deviation from trustworthiness? And then some kind of revolt happens, either financial or political or something like that. The government has to correct itself. If it goes too far, then we're in trouble. Sometimes that's the form it takes for sure. And sometimes it's a big rupture. I mean, I found Trump a big rupture with what I understood government

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