We need to make suret that the penalty is high enough, even if it doesn't change the facts on the ground and ukrane, that it deters puton from invading another country, or, you know, another wormonger from imitatingye. Another, one of my favorite books on this, christopher boms, a moral origins booker, has that data base of hunter gathered communities and how they deal with bullies and free riders and just people that don't play nice by the rules.

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