Sean Illing talks with philosopher Lucy Allais about the nature, power, and limits of forgiveness. They talk about the role of forgiveness in the dissolution of apartheid in Allais's native South Africa, the distinction between forgiveness and punishment, and the prospect of using forgiveness as a political tool in order to move forward as a polarized democracy.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox

Guest: Lucy Allais, professor of philosophy, University of Witwatersrand and Johns Hopkins University

References: 

• "Elective Forgiveness" by Lucy Allais (International Journal of Philosophical Studies, v. 21 (5); 2013)
• "Forgiveness and Mercy" by Lucy Allais (South African Journal of Philosophy, v. 27 (1); 2008)
• "Forgiveness and Meaning in Life" by Lucy Allais, in The Oxford Handbook of Meaning in Life, ed. Iddo Landau (Oxford University Press; 2022)

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• Producer: Erikk Geannikis
• Editor: Amy Drozdowska
• Engineer: Sofi LaLonde
• Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall

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