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CNLP 511 | Rich Villodas on the New Exodus in Church Attendance, Why Pastors Keep Failing, and the Next Generation of Pastors and Church Attenders
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
The Heavenly Stage
"I see that there's what's called the heavenly stage, the hellish stage and the holding detention stage," he says. "Yes, i've tried to use some fresh language to get at kind of a an ancient, kind of sociological reality."
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