things like that where they like do logistical stuff like making sure everyone's there but also like knowing which content and which person's problem is important and then the therapist part is like pulling that out of them and then getting everyone else to like give opinions on it you know what I

mean yeah no that makes a lot of sense it's obviously somebody it's it's a unique type of person who's able to do that so and a founder is not going to take seriously someone who hasn't at least been in their shoes a little

bit I think that's wrong actually I thought that was the case I thought that was the case and I was like that too and then I started meeting with some of the facilitators and I'm like man a really good facilitator sometimes you don't even know that they're there you know what I mean like I don't need necessarily a podcast host to know all about business in order to get good interviews sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't but like not necessarily it helps in a lot of cases but not always