i would tackle manikins that said, i shoot japeg. I would take the manikin the firehouse and talk them into shooting it with a fire hose. Just something stupid, just something to make people go, what does that even mean? Eh, right? Because everybody else was doing boring ship,. They would say, i'm like the howard stern of the photo world. Youre just doing weird other stuff. And so it was just due.

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