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339: ‘2006: Hard Work’, With Ken Kocienda

The Talk Show With John Gruber

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During Fireball

"He said that it was really later on in his life, that it's just like, ha, look, this is what i have. This is what when he turns his mind toward being creative," she says. "And younoean, i think that in some ways, that is, that that's the answer for you."

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