The word I like here is composability. How do we create software that is composable so that you can make new things with it? Because the software plays nicely with other bits of code from other places that had other intentions, but suddenly these pieces can mesh and create something in between. Molly: Can you sort of talk about how this modular design or interoperability comes into your, into your world?" Yeah, totally. In a perhaps a little bit pessimistic way. I think it's really, really hard to actualize," she says. "I find that a little bit disheartening"