The Challenge of Avoiding Technology: Lessons from a Digital Minimalism Experiment

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In an experiment with 1600 people giving up technology for 30 days, those who struggled the most were the ones who approached it with a negative mindset. The key to success was staying active and engaging in new experiences. Phones can help distract from existential despair, but it's important to address the underlying issues. It's challenging to rewire habits, but it's worth working through those difficulties instead of avoiding them.

In today’s episode, we try something different: a special two-part conversation in which Cal coaches his longtime friend, comedian and podcast pioneer Jamie Kilstein, through a digital declutter. The first part of the conversation ends with Cal’s prescription for Jamie, while the second part picks up six weeks later to check in on how things actually went.

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