#97 Probably Overthinking Statistical Paradoxes, with Allen Downey
Learning Bayesian Statistics
The Effectiveness of the Positive Test Traction and the Overtone Paradox
The positive test traction is an effective concept for non-stat people as it leads them to believe they have the disease. This concept is a classical example in the stats world. The overtone paradox is another paradox discussed in the book, and its connection to Bayesian analysis is not clear.
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In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Allen Downey, a professor emeritus at Olin College and a curriculum designer at Brilliant.org. Allen is a renowned author in the fields of programming and data science, with books such as "Think Python" and "Think Bayes" to his credit. He also authors the blog "Probably Overthinking It" and has a new book by the same name, which he just released in December 2023.
In this conversation, we tried to help you differentiate between right and wrong ways of looking at statistical data, discussed the Overton paradox and the role of Bayesian thinking in it, and detailed a mysterious Bayesian killer app!
But that’s not all: we even addressed the claim that Bayesian and frequentist methods often yield the same results — and why it’s a false claim. If that doesn’t get you to listen, I don’t know what will!
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Links from the show:
- LBS #41, Thinking Bayes, with Allen Downey: https://learnbayesstats.com/episode/41-think-bayes-allen-downey/
- Allen’s blog: https://www.allendowney.com/blog/
- Allen on Twitter: https://twitter.com/allendowney
- Allen on GitHub: https://github.com/AllenDowney
- Order Allen’s book, Probably Overthinking It, at a 30% discount with the code UCPNEW: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo206532752.html
- The Bayesian Killer App: https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2023/03/20/the-bayesian-killer-app/
- Bayesian and Frequentist Results Are Not the Same, Ever: https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2021/04/25/bayesian-and-frequentist-results-are-not-the-same-ever/
- Allen’s presentation on the Overton paradox: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-Uvby1Lfe1BTsxNv5R6PhXfwkLUgsyJgdkKtO8nUfJo/edit#slide=id.g291c5d4559e_0_0
- Video on the Overton Paradox, from PyData NYC 2022: https://youtu.be/VpuWECpTxmM
- Thompson sampling as a dice game: https://allendowney.github.io/TheShakes/
- Causal quartets – Different ways to attain the same average treatment effect: http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/unpublished/causal_quartets.pdf
- LBS #89, Unlocking the Science of Exercise, Nutrition & Weight Management, with Eric Trexler: https://learnbayesstats.com/episode/89-unlocking-science-exercise-nutrition-weight-management-eric-trexler/
- How Minds Change, David McRaney: https://www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome
Abstract
We are happy to welcome Allen Downey back to ur show and he has great news for us: His new book “Probably Overthinking It” is available now.
You might know Allen from his blog by the same name or his previous work. Or maybe you watched some of his educational videos which he produces in his new position at brilliant.org.
We delve right into exciting topics like collider bias and how it can explain the “low brith weight paradox” and other situations that only seem paradoxical at first, until you apply causal thinking to it.
Another classic Allen can unmystify for us is Simpson’s paradox. The problem is not the data, but your expectations of the data. We talk about some cases of Simpson’s paradox, for example from statistics on the Covid-19 pandemic, also featured in his book.
We also cover the “Overton paradox” - which Allen named himself - on how people report their ideologies as liberal or conservative over time.
Next to casual thinking and statistical paradoxes, we return to the common claim that frequentist statistics and Bayesian statistics often give the same results. Allen explains that they are fundamentally different and that Bayesian should not shy away from pointing that out and to emphasise the strengths of their methods.
Transcript
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