One of our swammies in uter kashi had this be in his bonnet about all the indian systems believe in multiple births and deaths, many lives. The ultimate conclusion atovedante is evere not even born. This thing is an appearance, the birth of the body. In reality your reality is brahman, which is unborn, which never comes into a human birth at all, in any birth at all. So those are the two stories. A bsami ram suk dasi, whose commentry is also very nice, he makes an interesting remark. Same what do you mean? He said, but control and debt, control. No more births and no