Lipsius and Langius

Lipsius presents himself as this young man looking for advice, and then there's an older character called langius. Most of the contents eis put into langius mouth, not lipsius own mouth. And langius gives us four reasons why stoic fate's problematic. God is subordinate to fate. He claims there is a kind of rigid, fixed order of causes in nature. By making everything necessary, they destroy the idea of the possible,. All of this undermines human free will. These are all the problems with stoic fate, langius says in the dialogue.