would try to see if my wife still wanted to be with me. I presumed that she would. I would see if my kids still love me. I presumed that they would. And in a worst case, I'll move from California. We'll move to North Carolina or somewhere where I can not have to have a job like this. I'll kind of start again. I can deal with that. To this day, I'm 42 years old. When I am stressed about something, when I'm worried about something, say the worst thing that could happen out loud. And usually it's something that I can deal with. There are some things I don't think I would feel good about them in the worst case. But I learned that from my dad. I remember one time I was a kid, my dad was like a advice giver. People really come to him asking him for his perspective. He's very wise. And so people would come to him and they would tell him their real stuff. He's very good at not telling people things. He's very good at the vault. And so I still remember one time there was a young guy who'd come to the house and was talking to my dad. And I wasn't supposed to be listening, but I was like going to get something to drink from the kitchen or whatever. And I still remember what happened. I could kind of piece it together. This guy apparently was having some marital problems and I think it was his fault. And so he'd come to my dad to be like, what do I do? I still remember him hearing this. I remember where I was. My dad said, look, you have to understand that there is a chance that the marriage might end. You got to understand that. What you've done, there is a chance the marriage might end. That's a real possibility. Now we're going to try and make that not happen. But there's a real possibility that happens. You got to get okay with that. And I remember being like, whoa, can you imagine this young dude who came here hoping that the guy would solve his problems. And partly it's, you fucked up. This thing might be over. And that I think is where I learned that as a helpful framing, when something might go wrong. I've never had to deal with anything as public as you guys, tech press and Twitter and all this. It's the game within the game. Like we all have our own

circles. And to us, no matter what your circle is, it means the world to you. The pressure is no different. Again, I think it's no different whether the professional sport or the private industry. It's all the same because it's your world. I don't think there's anything negative and only positives about your example and your tool. What is the worst thing that can happen? Getting face to face with it. And I think that's what I wasn't doing my first several years in the league. I was trying to pretend like it wasn't happening. Even though this thing haunted me, consumed me, I was trying to pretend it wasn't there and it wasn't a possibility. And I would have been far better to say, no, the reality is I may be a bust. I may fail. And I think that's the only way to move past the fear of failure that we're all talking about. You have to confront it first. I was trying to pretend like it wasn't happening. And so it just festered and got worse. Actually, there's great examples of this in general, even on a bigger scale, when we think about death, right? Like how many times do all of us not want to talk about this thing? Guess what? We're all going to die. And the sooner I think you come face to face with that, the better you're going to live while you're here. And I think it's no different, whether it be our careers or sports or whatever. And I think you have to move past that fear of failure. And I think it only comes from confronting it and I'm going to steal it. I'm very happy about that. To even flash forward to me as a dad, when I see my kids doing whatever they're doing, whether it's my son playing sports or my other son doing musicals or my daughter dancing competitively, nothing makes me more proud than to see them go out and attack something free. Where I feel like I failed as a father when I see them not. I'll see my son look over to the sidelines in the middle of a game and I'm like, no, I've been there. I don't want you to be there. Honestly, I think it's an amazing tool. You have to come face to face with the reality. I get asked all the time about Patrick Mahomes. What is it about him? Certainly, he's incredibly physically gifted. He's absurdly smart and competitive. He's so good. The other thing is, though, I think his fear of failure is a lot less than everybody else's. The thing I think about in basketball, Shane, the guy taking the last shot, the Steph Curry. I think we all idolize these guys that hit the last shot. The reality is they missed the majority of those. To take it, you have to be willing to like, I'm the guy that missed the last shot. And Patrick has that. The two-minute drill at the end of the game, Patrick's the guy that wants the ball. There were a lot of times I was on the bench and I'm like crossing my fingers like, come on, defense, make the play for me. I didn't want it. I didn't want to be out there. We talked about that yesterday. A lot of people were hiding from the ball. Patrick's like, no, I want it. I want the ball. I don't care if I fail. That's what makes that so rare wherever you are in your circle. I think it's invaluable. We all deal with feel of failure. And that's what we talked about with the bus thing. What do you do with it? And again, I think confronting is such an important part of ever getting beyond it. My

takeaway from both your stories and something that I heard talk about, but our idea of what courage is from popular media is not necessarily the right one. We ask anybody, what's courage? People say, well, it's heroic courage. It's Rambo. It's Rocky. It's Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible. And it's doing these crazy feats of bravery when the diversity is high. Someone had to talk about everyday courage. It's the small little acts that you do every single day just to get by. Just keep pounding that rock. And it takes courage. So many people in this world, they get stuck in the moment and they think they can't go. It's too hard. It's insurmountable. And a part of them gives up and Lord knows what happens. But both of your stories remind me of just trying to do the right thing every time, every day. And that's an amazing example of everyday courage.

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