And that's a characteristic of Aida's poems too, that they do that kind of visceral thinking you might say.

Well, I'd love to talk about your poem. In the April 12, 2021 issue of the magazine, the New Yorker published your poem, Post Fire Forest, which we'll hear you read in a moment. Is there anything you'd like to tell us about the poem for us, anything you want readers to know going in?

Well, of course, when a reader normally goes into a poem, the reader doesn't have the context, but maybe the context is interesting. This poem is part of a sequence of poems based on Sangam poetry, which was this tradition in Southern India, Tamil Nadu, about 2,000 years ago, in which it was understood that you could not write about personal emotion without writing about the landscape around you because the landscape is involved with your feeling. And it seems in many ways like a proto-eco-poetics, and again, a kind of humility that our feelings and our thoughts don't just come out of us, that they come out of a relationship, an engagement that we're always in.