Gary Becker and a young man he met in 1965 significantly influenced the interviewee's life. Becker's work on human capital shaped the interviewee's approach in academia, foundations, and business. Meeting the young man on August 12th, 1965, the day after the Watts Riots, and marrying on August 11th, 1968, were pivotal moments for the interviewee. Through debate, learning to see the world through different perspectives and understanding others' viewpoints has been crucial advice that has guided the interviewee's path over the last 60 years.

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