It's a social construct we have created to formulate this community, this tribe of people because you're all like me sort of in some ways. So neuro identity is still saying, hey, if you're not neurodiverse or if you don't identify with neurodiverse, you don't have these identities - which I don't think is true. But I think that's the message it's sending is someone that doesn't identify as neurodivergent. "That's that's still neurodivergence stuff. I'm still not interested," he says.