In this engaging conversation, the hosts discuss the damaging effects of shaming others. They emphasize the importance of separating a person's actions from their inherent worth. Using a curfew example, they highlight the benefits of approaching the situation with understanding and open communication rather than anger. They caution against using anger as a tool for discipline, as it can lead to feelings of smallness and defiance. Instead, they suggest discussing how certain behaviors have hurt them or made them angry. The hosts also acknowledge that not all kids react the same way and encourage parents to find the right approach for each child. They conclude by discussing the tendency to self-loathe after making a mistake and the need to be kind to ourselves instead.

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