I don't want to give the impression that i am counter enlightenment, or that iam anti enlightenment. I think this idea that you can somehow, which did prove true in many respects, that you can bring nature under control and make it serve human purposes. Part of the enlightenment, part of the explanation that's given for the power of the sciences is no longer thinking about formal and final cause. The question then becomes purpose, and what's it all about? Who's it serving? Is it serving mankind? And power iniss one way of thinking about this is alexander soldier in eason's formulation that gifts of science and technology coming out of the enlightenment are also a profound trial