

The Co-Living Show
Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain
Co-living is one of the most misunderstood, and highest-potential, strategies in residential real estate investing. Most investors hear the buzzwords, see the cash-flow claims, and immediately assume it’s either too risky, too operationally intense, or too complicated to scale. The truth is simpler: coliving work exceptionally well when built on systems, governed by operational clarity, and executed like a real business, not a side hustle. The Co-Living Show exists to make that clarity accessible for serious professionals who want smarter returns without gambling on guesswork.Hosted by BiggerPockets authors Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain, The Co-Living Show goes far beyond surface-level real estate content. This is the only real estate investing podcast dedicated exclusively to the economics, operations, regulations, and strategic frameworks that drive high-density co-living and shared housing at scale. Whether you’re new to the model or a high-earning, time-poor professional seeking exposure to a sophisticated cash-flow real estate strategy without becoming an operator, this show delivers the confidence, understanding, and insight needed to invest intelligently.Each episode takes you inside the real-world systems behind co-living performance. You’ll hear from operators running multi-market portfolios, attorneys specializing in zoning and compliance, designers who understand space optimization and profitability, lenders financing room-by-room rental strategies, and property managers and city officials shaping the future of affordable housing innovation. You’ll also hear from the Co-Living Cash Flow Community, everyday investors solving operational challenges and executing the exact frameworks discussed on the show. 👉 Join the community: www.millermcswain.com/communityThere is no fluff here. No hype. No motivational noise. Every conversation is grounded in data, regulatory insight, operational logic, and investor-level clarity. Co-living is not “passive income.” It’s not a shortcut. It’s a system. And systems — when executed correctly — produce scalable, predictable returns that outperform traditional rental models. This is not speculative theory. It’s cash-flow real estate strategy in action.Craig brings acquisitions, underwriting, and market strategy. Miller brings operations, pricing systems, and standardization frameworks that make coliving scalable. Together, they deliver an operator’s perspective of an asset class most investors only see from the outside. As BiggerPockets authors, educators, and practitioners, they simplify complexity without diluting truth: coliving works, but only when done correctly.You’ll hear underwriting breakdowns, operator case studies, deal teardowns, regulatory realities, tenant strategy, market analysis, and the economic logic behind high-density residential investing. You’ll learn how to invest passively, partner with experienced operators, or simply understand the business model in depth, even if you never plan to manage a property yourself.The Co-Living Show does not claim co-living works. It proves when, why, and under what conditions it works.If you want confidence instead of conjecture, systems instead of speculation, and clarity instead of chaos, this is your source of truth for professional-grade residential real estate investing.Subscribe and join thousands of investors building deeper understanding, stronger portfolios, and smarter strategies, without wasting time on noise.This is the future of residential real estate investing. And now you’ll finally understand how it works.
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May 17, 2024 • 17min
Invest2Friday: One of The Worst Deals I've Ever Done
My 4th deal could have been an absolute cash cow. Everything about it lined up perfectly, great location and property was set up to be split up into three separate units. When I do deals for clients, I cross every T and dot every i, but for my own deals, it's easy to work quickly and not do the due diligence I do for for you all!If you want to hear my biggest investment failure tune into this episode. If you're in an investment mess, and need help getting out hit me up on IG @thefiguy.

May 15, 2024 • 58min
Episode 188 - Optimize Your Investments and Your Life with the “Hillbilly Millionaire” Hugh Carnahan!
Join us for a rollercoaster of a journey with Hugh Carnahan, who shares how he went from being a “hillbilly” to a millionaire in just 15 months! As a 2-second Lean Automation expert, Hugh brings a new perspective with his IT, manufacturing, and optimizing team background. Hugh’s first real estate deal was a massive leap, instantly adding 26 houses in just one deal! This early success and capacity for risk paid off as he ventured into multi-family homes and commercial real estate. Tune in as we talk more about how Hugh further cemented himself in real estate: diving into successful podcasts, starting his meetup, and learning to be flexible and adaptable. We also dive into an in-depth explanation of seller financing and the overall advantages of exploring commercial real estate. Hugh's success story is a testament to the power of innovative thinking, resilience, and commitment to your vision. From humble beginnings to incredible financial success, he continues to inspire and mentor others in pursuit of their goals. As he sets his sights on the next milestone of becoming the “Hillbilly Billionaire,” don’t miss out on this chance to hear how you, too, can become a success through grit and strategic moves. PODCAST HIGHLIGHTS: [4:40] The Start of Hugh’s Incredible Story [9:35] On Taking Over a Company [11:55] What Is the Two-Second Lean Automation [13:00] Getting Started With Real Estate [19:30] Hugh’s First Deal - Of 26 Houses! [25:35] Adapting During COVID [32:55] Advantages of Commercial Real Estate [35:40] The Power of Starting a Meetup [37:15] The Superpower of Pivoting and Adapting [40:20] Are Multi-Family Homes Easier Than Single-Family Homes? [46:05] What’s Next for Hugh’s Portfolio? [47:10] The Ins and Outs of Seller Financing [49:20] Words of Wisdom for Investors HOSTS Craig Curelop 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/thefiguy 📘 Book: https://store.biggerpockets.com/products/the-house-hacking-strategy 🏘️ Buy Real Estate: https://bit.ly/3V3QDze Chad Rocke 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadrockerealtorinvestor/ 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/da_rock_22/ 🏘️ Work with Chad: https://www.thefiteam.com/team/chad-rocke/ GUEST Hugh Carnahan 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/hughcarnahan/ 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hugh-carnahan-8a00b423/ 💻 Website: https://www.hughcarnahan.com/ 🎧 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Carhug2012

May 10, 2024 • 9min
Invest2Friday: Good Update for Short Term Rentals
Taxes for short term rentals are NOT going up 400%! Phew. In this episode of Invest2Friday Chad runs through recent announcements in the Colorado Legislation and what it means for STR owners. Stay tuned until the end for on an the ground market update and what the summer market holds.

May 8, 2024 • 52min
Episode 187 - Making it Happen: Owen James Lutz’s Keys to Entrepreneurial Success
In this episode, we’re talking about how one entrepreneur's dedication to making 1500 cold calls every morning led to rapid growth in his real estate journey. Owen James Lutz shares his inspiring entrepreneurial journey that jumpstarted his path to his $10M goal. From starting his own cleaning company to becoming a digital marketing coach, Owen shares how he finally took the leap and made the decision that would forever change his financial trajectory. The episode kicks off with a compelling discussion of his early entrepreneurial days and knowing when to pivot. After making expensive mistakes in his first partnership, Owen shares his practical advice for anyone entering a partnership and navigating the balance of responsibilities and profit-sharing. We also discuss how Owen transitioned from his business ventures to investing in residential flipping and the strategies behind successful property deals. Tune in to hear Owen’s unique perspectives on timing, consistency, and decision-making in the real estate market. Throughout the episode, it’s clear how Owen’s dedication to making things happen is an inspiring wake-up call for aspiring entrepreneurs and investors. Owen’s story proves that anyone can make their financial dreams a reality through sheer willpower and commitment. PODCAST HIGHLIGHTS:[7:45] Starting His First Cleaning Company [14:30] Knowing When to Pivot and Take the Next Step [15:30] Don’t Make These Mistakes When Starting a Partnership [20:25] On Residential Flipping [28:30] Owen’s First Deal [35:40] How to Know When to Start Investing on Your Own [37:05] Focusing on the One Thing That Matters [40:00] Predictions on the Market [40:50] On Hiring Virtual Assistance [44:00] Words of Wisdom to Live By HOSTS Craig Curelop 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/thefiguy 📘 Book: https://store.biggerpockets.com/products/the-house-hacking-strategy 🏘️ Buy Real Estate: https://bit.ly/3V3QDze Chad Rocke 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadrockerealtorinvestor/ 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/da_rock_22/ 🏘️ Work with Chad: https://www.thefiteam.com/team/chad-rocke/ GUEST 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/owenjameslutz/ 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenlutz/

May 3, 2024 • 14min
Invest2Friday: House Hacking Always Makes Sense
Anyone, in any market can house hack and make it worth their while. Let's run through the comfort continuum & creative ways to make the house hack work for those living in expensive markets, families with kids and those who want to see the most cash flow possible. Craig runs through properties currently on market, that would make killer house hacks. If you're looking for more resources on how to house hack visit thefiteam.com and download materials from the resources tab. And as always, hit Craig up on IG @thefiguy with any questions.

May 1, 2024 • 1h 7min
Episode 186 - From Youth Pastor to Laundromat King: Jordan Berry's Path to Financial Freedom
Have you ever wondered how people achieve financial freedom through the laundromat business? Today, we’re excited to have Jordan Berry, who is at the forefront of the laundromat industry, as an expert in helping investors find high cash flows and financial freedom through buying laundromats and pursuing commercial real estate investing. As an industry expert, Jordan shares his remarkable journey of starting with zero experience and knowledge and ending up with a multi-million portfolio of laundromat businesses. Jordan’s journey began after he spent 15 years as a youth pastor and wondered how to start his financial independence journey. Tune in to learn how Jordan navigated his series of expensive mistakes when buying a fixer-upper and how to avoid the same rookie mistakes. From spotting the signs of a profitable laundromat investment to understanding the industry, this episode is perfect for anyone ready to jump into a high cash-flow business today! Since his first purchase a decade ago, Jordan now leads a community of laundromat investors with actionable advice and strategic networking opportunities to expand portfolios in the commercial real estate sector. So, if you’re ready to stop wasting time and start taking action, tune in to embark on the path toward financial freedom through the exciting world of laundromat entrepreneurship. PODCAST HIGHLIGHTS: [5:10] From a Youth Pastor to Financial Freedom [8:50] Getting Into the Laundromat Business [11:45] Rookie Mistakes to Avoid When Buying Businesses [17:55] How to Know if a Laundromat is a Good One [19:25] Fixer-Upper or Stable Business? [22:40] Jordan’s Experience With Buying a Fixer Upper [26:35] Getting Into the Laundromat Niche [31:10] A Glimpse Into His Laundromat Deal Structure [34:20] Plans for Scaling in the Laundromat Industry [36:05] Advice for Anyone Wanting to Buy a Laundromat [43:50] Finding a Community of Laundromat Owners [49:25] On Cash Flow Versus Appreciation [53:45] How You’re Wasting Your Time Right Now HOSTS Craig Curelop 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/thefiguy 📘 Book: https://store.biggerpockets.com/products/the-house-hacking-strategy 🏘️ Buy Real Estate: https://bit.ly/3V3QDze Chad Rocke 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadrockerealtorinvestor/ 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/da_rock_22/ 🏘️ Work with Chad: https://www.thefiteam.com/team/chad-rocke/ GUEST Jordan Berry 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/laundromatresource/ 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-l-berry/ 💻 Website: https://www.laundromatresource.com/ 🎧 Youtube: https://youtube.com/laundromatresource 🎙️Podcast (Apple): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-laundromat-resource-podcast/id1511136385 🎙️Podcast (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/show/3B65QIITsltsJSiMZqrNkc 📱Facebook:

Apr 26, 2024 • 15min
Invest2Friday: Breaking Down the Buying Process
Listen up first time buyers & rookie realtors. If you want to know the nitty gritty of what goes down in a buyer's transaction tune into this week's episode of Invest2Friday. Chad Rocke @Rocketherealtor, runs through the deal from the first client call to the closing table. And this just isn't the tactics of what to do when, but the strategic moves of a veteran agent.

Apr 24, 2024 • 1h 5min
Episode 185 - Helping One Million People Leave Corporate America and Build Multi-Million Dollar Businesses with Brian Luebben
Not looking forward to working until you’re 65 and missing out on the best years of your life? Our guest today has a single goal: to help a million people go from employee to 8-figure entrepreneur with the limitless power of real estate! Join us in this engaging podcast episode featuring Brian Luebben, a successful entrepreneur who went from corporate slave to 10-million-dollar business owner in less than four years! Discover Brian's journey from the beginning—overcoming the universal “first deal anxiety” and finding his way through house hacks, commercial real estate, and buying businesses. This episode offers practical advice for anyone looking to scale up their financial journey. We talk about the importance of surrounding yourself with mentors and other successful entrepreneurs and social environments that move you to get more done. Brian shares the success stories of his Action Academy community, which has proven to be a powerhouse of investors and entrepreneurs helping one another achieve their individual goals. We also glimpse Brian's four-step Freedom Framework designed to empower individuals on the path to financial independence and scalable business ventures. Gain inspiration from Brian’s go-getter attitude and real-life successes in building million-dollar businesses and teaching others how to do the same. Don’t miss the opportunity to start or fast-track your journey. Remember: your future self will thank you for starting earlier than later! PODCAST HIGHLIGHTS:[3:10] The Beginning of Brian’s Journey [6:25] Making the Jump From Corporate to Real Estate [8:30] Overcoming the First Deal Anxiety [14:30] Why Buying Commercial Real Estate Is a Gamechanger [18:25] The Importance of Finding Clarity [26:45] Why Outsourcing Property Management Is Not Always Possible [27:50] What’s Your ‘One Thing’? [39:25] How Brian Helps People Become 8-Figure Entrepreneurs [45:00] Why Mentorship Is the Best Way Forward [47:10] On Surrounding Yourself With Good People and Environments [51:20] His Four-Step Freedom Framework [55:40] Advice for EveryoneHOSTS Craig Curelop 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/thefiguy 📘 Book: https://store.biggerpockets.com/products/the-house-hacking-strategy 🏘️ Buy Real Estate: https://bit.ly/3V3QDze Chad Rocke 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadrockerealtorinvestor/ 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/da_rock_22/ 🏘️ Work with Chad: https://www.thefiteam.com/team/chad-rocke/ GUEST 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/brianluebben/ 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianluebben/ 💻 Website: https://brianluebben.com/ 🎧 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@BrianLuebben 🎙️Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-action-academy-millionaire-mentorship-for-your/id1588326291 Twitter: https://twitter.com/brianluebben Books: From Pass

Apr 19, 2024 • 12min
Invest2Friday: Hello Rent-By-The-Room in Denver
This week Governor Polis signed a bill that eliminated the occupancy limits on the number of unrelated people that can live under one roof in Colorado.This is HUGE for Colorado investors and those seeking affordable housing. Tune in to hear about the bill and what this means for the future of investing in Colorado. Join us for a FREE webinar on April 26th at Noon MST to walk through how to start investing or grow your investment portfolio in light of these changes. >>> REGISTER HERE

Apr 17, 2024 • 1h 11min
Episode 184 - Thriving in Uncomfortable Situations and Building Wealth with AJ Osborne
In this episode, AJ Osborne, CEO of Cedar Creek Capital and a prominent figure in self-storage syndication, shares his inspiring journey centered on two themes: mental resilience and making things happen. In 2018, AJ was diagnosed with Guillan Barre Syndrome, and he was faced with a choice: to either accept the life of being “that wheelchair guy” or dig deep mentally to thrive and succeed despite everything. Six years later, AJ continues to run the fastest-growing self-storage syndication, with a portfolio of over $350M+ in assets. When he found himself in the hospital without a job, AJ’s real estate investments provided the financial safety nets for his family and paved the way for him to keep building his net worth even while in a wheelchair. Through his experiences, our guest today emphasizes the importance of building cash-flowing assets and pursuing a business that will keep growing your net worth even when you’re physically unable to work. This episode is a must-listen for anyone struggling with insecurities or self-doubt; AJ’s profound outlook on confidence, passion, drive, and resilience is refreshingly unique and inspiring. Throughout our conversation, he emphasizes his framework for dealing with problems and learning to thrive in difficult situations. He also shares the secrets to his success in staying productive and accountable. When it comes to making things happen in your life, AJ shares foolproof advice that might help you finally achieve your dreams! We discuss the importance of collaboration and leveraging time, resources, and, most importantly, connections. In a world that praises the bootstrapped entrepreneur, AJ reminds us that man can never be an island, and success is only gained by leveraging the people and opportunities around us. So tune in for an episode on re-evaluating how you navigate the real estate world and establishing mindset shifts for creating genuine wealth! PODCAST HIGHLIGHTS:[5:10] How Real Estate Investing Saved His Life [9:30] Why Real Estate Makes You More Financially Secure Than Any W2 Job [15:15] The Secret to Success: Digging Deep Mentally [21:40] His Framework for Dealing with Negative Thoughts and Productivity [25:30] Why You Should Practice Being Uncomfortable [28:15] The Power of Asymmetrical Bets [38:00] The Incredible Earning Power of House Hacking [44:30] How Real Estate Allowed Aj and His Wife to Build Schools and Create Positive Impact [51:45] Why Working Alone Never Works [55:40] Aj’s Roadmap for the Next 5-7 Years [1:00:20] Best Advice From Aj’s Years of Experience HOSTS Craig Curelop 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/thefiguy 📘 Book: https://store.biggerpockets.com/products/the-house-hacking-strategy 🏘️ Buy Real Estate: https://bit.ly/3V3QDze Chad Rocke 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadrockerealtorinvestor/ 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/da_rock_22/ 🏘️ Work with Chad: https://www.thefiteam.com/team/chad-rocke/ GUEST Aj Osborne 📸 IG: https://www.instagram.com/ajosborne/ 💼 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aj-osborne/ 💻 Website: https://www.ajosborne.com/


